[NSFW] Studying the Origin of Hentai in the West [Usenet] (5)

1 Name: gyudon_addict : d08.08.24 @141.04 .beats ID:cII3sN6A [Del]

https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/studying-the-origin-of-hentai-in-the-west-usenet.2668/

Thought this was interesting. The author goes through some old usenet posts, trying to find out how erotic manga and anime came to be categorized as hentai' by westerners, and the evolution of the use of the term, as well as how terms like lolicon' were understood at the time--observably different from how it is now, including and more avidly referring to a demographic interested in high school age girls with lolita' and bishoujo' being considered interchangeable.

When I was watching SDF Macross recently, there was a scene where they had decided to translate lolicon into ``likes high school girls'', which I thought was an odd word choice, perhaps a bit censored?- but upon reading this it suddenly made sense considering the time it was made. I wonder if anyone else has picked up on this from shows around that decade.

Also look at that flamewar that's linked in the middle, lol. As an aside, if you want some time-burning amusement I can highly recommend combing through anime-centered newsgroups from the era, a lot of it feels indistinguishable from modern shitposting save for the specific series they discuss. Mind you, this was all Usenet in the 90s--long before 4chan.

2 Name: chaoskaiser72 ## KAISER : d20.08.24 @214.80 .beats ID:86m7uKCF [Del]

>As an aside, if you want some time-burning amusement I can highly recommend combing through anime-centered newsgroups from the era, a lot of it feels indistinguishable from modern shitposting save for the specific series they discuss. Mind you, this was all Usenet in the 90s--long before 4chan.

I have an affinity for web banter and discussion in its most basic form, which is why textboards appeal to me so much. I love the way 2channel was, and the way 4chan was in formula, but find the image component of imageboards to be so extraneous that a board like [this one] is my ideal. It's sad that textboards like 4-ch never got a serious foothold in the west, so that style of pure-text banter is basically a distant memory in the form of Usenet.

3 Name: Nameless : d27.12.24 @449.05 .beats ID:ezdubskr [Del]

>>2
thats the thing 4-ch is the current serious foothold in the west
even 4chan is the 99.9% 0.09% 0.01% style of lurkers posters and consistent posters compared to the average
theres been various of media from western authors partly based on what you can find in the modern tanasinn wiki alone and there is a independent culture for textboards and bbses which yes include banter and always have
infact in the way its nowhere near the activity of r*ddit let alone x is a good barrier from corruption like the hacker known as 4chan that along with how many of such cancer types wont come around from it being text only
banter based on pure natural ragefaging or due to le 4chan being the place for venting or whatever other trashy is philosophy exactly what wont develop into a new normal around here
those last two statements are opinions more than the first none of it is true :^)

4 Name: chaoskaiser72 ## KAISER : d31.12.24 @741.68 .beats ID:86m7uKCF [Del]

>>3
4-ch is great, they've done everything to make it what it should be, but when a platform doesn't pull in enough people to host great minds, it's like having a little sandbox. 2channel was the most visited website in Japan for a time, and 4chan was the closest thing to it in the West. People grew up steeped in its culture, it's made news, and it's had a hand in historical events numerous times; it's easy to see that its banter always carried more weight.
To be clear, I've never been a 4chan poster, but even today as it stands in ruins, it beats out the desolate air of 4-ch.

5 Name: gyudon_addict : d31.12.24 @956.38 .beats ID:cII3sN6A [Del]

>>3
Textboards carried on a large amount of the same culture/posting style and memes as early 4chan, and important to that didn't inherit the retarded culture war mindset that imageboards became known for, with 'raiding' and other loutish bullshit; so a lot of the textboard world has always been distributed among several sites, as were a lot of imageboards back then.

The oldest western textboards still around are probably 4-ch and Sageru. At the height of the times, world4ch with /prog/ might've been the most active western textboard (and /prog/ memes are still noticable among elite programming circles to this day). SAoVQ, Post Office and SchemeBBS are still fairly active as far as textboards go, and a few tend to pop up and die now and then, as is the natural cycle of things. There was a project to revive Tanasinn after it got killed off, which only semi-worked and left it in a mostly broken state, I guess since nobody really cared enough to fix it up completely and were mostly doing it out of posterity.

The extant textboard community, despite its lack of recognition among imgboarders still has a lot of influence: the biggest source of imgboard cancer in recent years got his start from interacting with some of the extant textboarders, before going buttmad and declaring war on them. Unfortunately, a few internet veterans still tend to hold fast against an army of retarded teens, so he got laughed at and fucked off to instead make a couple of the worst imgboards possible. And they were highly successful!

If you want a look at where some of the textboard culture has moved/evolved to in recent times, check out the Gikopoi Wiki.
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